Is the pendulum swinging?

Subsequent to 9/11, the social pendulum in the US was heavily pro-conservative. Political dissent was equivalent to being anti-American. The very principles that, it is stated, the US was founded upon were targeted: the Patriot Act was passed by a prostrated Congress, while mainstream American media networks failed to independently analyze the PR bulletins issuing from the White House.

Now, one can smell a whiff of change in the American air and psyche. One striking example of the pendulum's swinging back from its far right position is a recent David Letterman episode (aired 03 January 2006), which starred Bill O'Reilly as one of the guests. Now David Letterman is not your average Joe talk show host. He is immensely popular in US culture. I was amazed to learn that he took on Bill O'Reilly - a few months back, this would have been a ratings-disaster for the usually apolitical Letterman. A sign of things to come, I hope. Extract from their conversation:


O'Reilly: "Robust debate is good. But we believe that the United States, particularly the military, are doing a noble thing, a noble thing. The soldiers and Marines are noble. They're not terrorists. And when people call them that, like Cindy Sheehan called the insurgents 'freedom fighters,' we don't like that. It is a vitally important time in American history. And we should all take it very seriously. Be very careful with what we say."

Letterman: "Well, and you should be very careful with what you say also."

O'Reilly: "Give me an example."

Letterman: "How can you possibly take exception with the motivation and the position of someone like Cindy Sheehan?"

O'Reilly: "Because I think she's run by far-left elements in this country. I feel bad for the woman."

Letterman: "Have you lost family members in armed conflict?"

O'Reilly: "No, I have not."

Letterman: "Well, then you can hardly speak for her, can you?"

O'Reilly: "I'm not speaking for her. Let me ask you this question."

Letterman, referring back to O'Reilly’s examples of a war on Christmas: "Let's go back to your little red and green stories."

O'Reilly: "This is important, this is important. Cindy Sheehan lost a son, a professional soldier in Iraq, correct? She has a right to grieve any way she wants, she has a right to say whatever she wants. When she says to the public that the insurgents and terrorists are 'freedom fighters,' how do you think, David Letterman, that makes people who lost loved ones, by these people blowing the hell out of them, how do you think they feel, waht about their feelings, sir?"

Letterman: "What about, why are we there in the first place? The President himself, less than a month ago said we are there because of a mistake made in intelligence. Well, whose intelligence? It was just somebody just get off a bus and handed it to him?"

Bill O'Reilly: "No."

Letterman: "No, it was the intelligence gathered by his administration."

O'Reilly: "By the CIA."

Letterman: "Yeah, so why are we there in the first place? I agree to you, with you that we have to support the troops. They are there, they are the best and the brightest of this country. There's no doubt about that. And I also agree that now we're in it it's going to take a long, long time. People who expect it's going to be solved and wrapped up in a couple of years, unrealistic, it's not going to happen. However, however, that does not eliminate the legitimate speculation and concern and questioning of why the hell are we there to begin with?"

O'Reilly: "If you want to question that, and then revamp an intelligence agency that's obviously flawed, the CIA, okay. But remember, MI-6 in Britain said the same thing. Putin's people in Russia said the same thing, and so did Mubarak's intelligence agency in Egypt."

Letterman: "Well then that makes it all right?"

O'Reilly: "No it doesn't make it right."

Letterman: "That intelligence agencies across the board makes it alright that we're there?"

O'Reilly: "It doesn't make it right."

Letterman: "See, I'm very concerned about people like yourself who don't have nothing but endless sympathy for a woman like Cindy Sheehan. Honest to Christ."

O'Reilly: "No, I'm sorry."

Letterman: "Honest to Christ."

O'Reilly: "No way. No way you’re going to get me, no way that a terrorist who blows up women and children."

Letterman: "Do you have children?"

O'Reilly: "Yes I do. I have a son the same age as yours. No way a terrorist who blows up women and children is going to be called a freedom fighter on my program."

Letterman: "I'm not smart enough to debate you point to point on this, but I have the feeling, I have the feeling about 60 percent of what you say is crap. But I don't know that for a fact."

[...] O'Reilly: "Listen, I respect your opinion. You should respect mine."

Letterman: "Well, ah, I, okay. But I think you’re - "

O'Reilly: "Our analysis is based on the best evidence we can get."

Letterman: "Yeah, but I think there's something, this fair and balanced. I'm not sure that it's, I don't think that you represent an objective viewpoint."

O'Reilly: "Well, you're going to have to give me an example if you're going to make those claims."

Letterman: "Well I don’t watch your show so that would be impossible."

O'Reilly: "Then why would you come to that conclusion if you don't watch the program?"

Letterman: "Because of things that I’ve read, things that I know."

O'Reilly: "Oh come on, you're going to take things that you've read. You know what say about you? Come on. Watch it for a couple, look, watch it for a half hour. You'll get addicted. You'll be a Factor fan, we'll send you a hat."

Letterman: "You'll send me a hat. Well, send Cindy Sheehan a hat."

O'Reilly: "I'll be happy to."